Tum Quintus: Est plane, Piso, ut dicis, inquit. Duo Reges: constructio interrete. Ita ceterorum sententiis semotis relinquitur non mihi cum Torquato, sed virtuti cum voluptate certatio. Ergo id est convenienter naturae vivere, a natura discedere. Nam quibus rebus efficiuntur voluptates, eae non sunt in potestate sapientis. Mihi enim erit isdem istis fortasse iam utendum.

Non enim iam stirpis bonum quaeret, sed animalis. Quid ei reliquisti, nisi te, quoquo modo loqueretur, intellegere, quid diceret? Itaque nostrum est-quod nostrum dico, artis est-ad ea principia, quae accepimus. Haec quo modo conveniant, non sane intellego.

Id quaeris, inquam, in quo, utrum respondero, verses te huc atque illuc necesse est. Vos autem cum perspicuis dubia debeatis illustrare, dubiis perspicua conamini tollere. Videamus igitur sententias eorum, tum ad verba redeamus. Quod non faceret, si in voluptate summum bonum poneret. In his igitur partibus duabus nihil erat, quod Zeno commutare gestiret.

Quem quidem vos, cum improbis poenam proponitis, inpetibilem facitis, cum sapientem semper boni plus habere vultis, tolerabilem. Ergo in utroque exercebantur, eaque disciplina effecit tantam illorum utroque in genere dicendi copiam. An vero displicuit ea, quae tributa est animi virtutibus tanta praestantia? Ergo ita: non posse honeste vivi, nisi honeste vivatur?

Qui igitur convenit ab alia voluptate dicere naturam proficisci, in alia summum bonum ponere? Quamquam te quidem video minime esse deterritum. Ita enim vivunt quidam, ut eorum vita refellatur oratio. Illis videtur, qui illud non dubitant bonum dicere -; Etenim si delectamur, cum scribimus, quis est tam invidus, qui ab eo nos abducat? Deprehensus omnem poenam contemnet. Ratio quidem vestra sic cogit.

Intrandum est igitur in rerum naturam et penitus quid ea postulet pervidendum; Nulla profecto est, quin suam vim retineat a primo ad extremum. Quo modo autem optimum, si bonum praeterea nullum est? Ego

vero volo in virtute vim esse quam maximam;

Cum id quoque, ut cupiebat, audivisset, evelli iussit eam, qua erat transfixus, hastam. Nunc vides, quid faciat. Philosophi autem in suis lectulis plerumque moriuntur. Ita ne hoc quidem modo paria peccata sunt. Quare attende, quaeso. An quod ita callida est, ut optime possit architectari voluptates?

Quod non faceret, si in voluptate summum bonum poneret. Istam voluptatem perpetuam quis potest praestare sapienti? Atqui, inquam, Cato, si istud optinueris, traducas me ad te totum licebit. Quacumque enim ingredimur, in aliqua historia vestigium ponimus. Verum hoc idem saepe faciamus. Quasi vero, inquit, perpetua oratio rhetorum solum, non etiam philosophorum sit.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Non semper, inquam; Quodsi vultum tibi, si incessum fingeres, quo gravior viderere, non esses tui similis; Sed quia studebat laudi et dignitati, multum in virtute processerat. Positum est a nostris in iis esse rebus, quae secundum naturam essent, non dolere; Intrandum est igitur in rerum naturam et penitus quid ea postulet pervidendum; In his igitur partibus duabus nihil erat, quod Zeno commutare gestiret.

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Mihi vero, inquit, placet agi subtilius et, ut ipse dixisti, pressius. Ex quo intellegitur officium medium quiddam esse, quod neque in bonis ponatur neque in contrariis. Piso igitur hoc modo, vir optimus tuique, ut scis, amantissimus. Habes, inquam, Cato, formam eorum, de quibus loquor, philosophorum.